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Stand against racism, hate, and police brutality - #BlackLivesMatter
I’d like to quickly address the negativity displayed in the comments of last week’s update. Neither we nor anyone else using the phrase “Black Lives Matter” is suggesting that they matter more. They don’t claim that they’re the only victims of police brutality or the only targets of ignorance, hate, and racism. They simply want an end to the systemic racism they experience on a day-to-day basis, especially at the hands of the police, and that is something that everyone should be able to agree with unequivocally.
So I’ll leave you with this: We at The VG Resource stand with Black Lives Matter and against racism and police brutality. The changes they’re pushing for will benefit everyone and they deserve the justice they’re seeking. If these statements somehow offend you, nobody is forcing you to stay but remember this moment when you find yourself on the wrong side of history. And if you are choosing to be on the wrong side of history and are in fact just racist, do us all a favor and leave.
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@Sigismund How about instead of being an assuming dick you actually simplify what he really said:
There's a time and place for certain things, and quite honestly it's not within the Spriters-Resource. It's viewpoints that make everyone feel bad that didn't even do anything wrong, and problems we cannot fix. Stop trying to assume racism because someone didn't wanna be a drone and say something "because it's common sense" when it reality no it isn't. It's common sense to keep your mouth shut and just be action-y rather than spend all your time typing about why you *think* someone is racist without even asking or even looking into facts.
Why has this year turned into a desolate waste where nobody can go a single second without making every single person needlessly feel bad for the sake of internet brownie points? You gain nothing, and while you probably don't feel any sense of regret you probably should just for how downright rude you were in trying to reason with anyone and misunderstanding literally any point the person tried to make.
You are an embarrassment, go home. Apologies if this somehow is unacceptable for me, but attitudes like Sigismund are unacceptable and are current targets, not "ConcernedThrowawayAccount". Heck while I'm at it, why don't I have at it with the "assuming game" for a change?
You're racist. See? So easy to just use words to people where they absolutely don't apply.
Sorry to the tSR staff if my manner is no less unacceptable, but I had to get it out. If y'all do try to call me racist though, you'll be wrong and sorry mate but that's just how it be.
We're all human beings, let's actually act like it.
There's a time and place for certain things, and quite honestly it's not within the Spriters-Resource. It's viewpoints that make everyone feel bad that didn't even do anything wrong, and problems we cannot fix. Stop trying to assume racism because someone didn't wanna be a drone and say something "because it's common sense" when it reality no it isn't. It's common sense to keep your mouth shut and just be action-y rather than spend all your time typing about why you *think* someone is racist without even asking or even looking into facts.
Why has this year turned into a desolate waste where nobody can go a single second without making every single person needlessly feel bad for the sake of internet brownie points? You gain nothing, and while you probably don't feel any sense of regret you probably should just for how downright rude you were in trying to reason with anyone and misunderstanding literally any point the person tried to make.
You are an embarrassment, go home. Apologies if this somehow is unacceptable for me, but attitudes like Sigismund are unacceptable and are current targets, not "ConcernedThrowawayAccount". Heck while I'm at it, why don't I have at it with the "assuming game" for a change?
You're racist. See? So easy to just use words to people where they absolutely don't apply.
Sorry to the tSR staff if my manner is no less unacceptable, but I had to get it out. If y'all do try to call me racist though, you'll be wrong and sorry mate but that's just how it be.
We're all human beings, let's actually act like it.
Regarding what ConcernedThrowawayAccount, allow me to simplify for everyone here:
Vapid Strife = Standing up for black rights.
Spectrum = White people and black people.
Users like *me* = He's white.
Or, in short, little poor white boy doesn't like that a site he used to visit is now standing up for those filthy negroes. What's next? Chinks and beaners? Ridiculous!
The Spriter's Resource is for users like HIM. White, proud, lame, and privileged. Which means the site staff should feel bad for not catering exclusively towards his end of the "spectrum."
Vapid Strife = Standing up for black rights.
Spectrum = White people and black people.
Users like *me* = He's white.
Or, in short, little poor white boy doesn't like that a site he used to visit is now standing up for those filthy negroes. What's next? Chinks and beaners? Ridiculous!
The Spriter's Resource is for users like HIM. White, proud, lame, and privileged. Which means the site staff should feel bad for not catering exclusively towards his end of the "spectrum."
First and foremost, sorry for the light years long paragraph, peeps who are interested or concerned about this.
I've visited this site for as long as I can remember. Back before being part of The VG Resource and all that jazz, way before many of the current moderators and front page posters were a part of this site, many site revamps ago. I don't intend to show my creds or anything, or post any more than a single time on this site, and I don't intend to visit this space anymore after this one last time. But there are some things I feel I need to say beforehand:
-Yes, I wrote all this 72 hours ago since I registered this account. Yes, it is a throwaway account. Yes, I have too much time in my hands, but I think it's time worth investing since...
-I've seen this site impressively grow in numbers and quality and reach since I was a wee lad doing awful spritework out of my own devotion to videogames. It's been a go-to place for me for probably as long as I learned what a sprite was, probably somewhere since 15 years ago or so. No, I do not nor do I have ever wished to be part of the community since a particular, one-time incident, but I have still seen checking up on this site as a daily commute, and I would consider myself a devoted visitor. I grew up with this site, like someone would grow up watching a TV show or living with a house pet. So...
-I find it very disappointing that, among many things, the staff of this site has collectively decided to turn a once professional site into their blog the moment so many other places on the internet have decided to foster a stifling environment for those that don't wholly identify with (or worse, question) their specific points of view. What used to be a site that stuck to doing its best at what it intended to do, and did it so stellarly, couldn't withstand the collective pressure amongst those of an specific spectrum, and caved in to put aside its once professional behavior for the sake of vapid and enfranchised strife that serves nobody concerned with the craft displayed here.
-The most disappointing thing is not even just this: it's the common practice amongst those on this specific spectrum, and amongst all these spaces on the internet, to strongarm those around them into a guilt trip, completely disregard all the facts of the situation around the world (especially those that put said specific point of view in a non-praising light), and to say the exact same thing to people like me, that have supported this site from the spectator seats but don't agree with their hard turn onto specific opinion: "if you don't like it, then leave and never come back". And doubling down on it. A tremendous display of pettyness, lack of concern for all facts on the matter, and lack of respect for arguments that might put theirs in jeopardy.
-How does this fare for users *like me*? Well, if we go with similar situations and experiences across many other spaces on the internet, there's no reason to argue against these actions since it won't change the decissions made or the minds of people that push for this kind of stuff. There's also no reason to threaten or predict or even hope for the "downfall" of any of these sites, as many people like me learn to just stay quiet and accept this stifling environment, rather than try to rally and hurt these spaces' and people's livelihoods, like how they do it to those that do rally and speak out against this. So really, most just look at the broken glass with concern and disappoint. You won't notice this, because these actions harbour unresponsiveness from those that disagree, and mobilize those that do agree. Hell, this probably reinforces your beliefs: "we're doing the right thing, many are validating our opinion!". Short-sighted, and expected.
-Then what's one to do? Just as you say: leave and never come back. Not with a bang, but with a whimper and a heavy heart. Accept the reality that many of the places that used to be safe for everybody (because of their commitment to not take sides on vapid strife) are now actively alienating some users, for what a small number of users see as "right", no matter the facts of reality. Don't get me wrong or put intentions into my post: I do NOT mean to make a bang out of this, but I will exercise my right to show my concern for the direction of a site I've dedicated years to keep my eye on, out of that same dedication to defend what you grew up with, for as long as I anonimously can without being statutorily persecuted like many do in my country of origin for their dissenting ideas, something you could only dream of in your worst nightmares from the safety of your metropolis.
I've visited this site for as long as I can remember. Back before being part of The VG Resource and all that jazz, way before many of the current moderators and front page posters were a part of this site, many site revamps ago. I don't intend to show my creds or anything, or post any more than a single time on this site, and I don't intend to visit this space anymore after this one last time. But there are some things I feel I need to say beforehand:
-Yes, I wrote all this 72 hours ago since I registered this account. Yes, it is a throwaway account. Yes, I have too much time in my hands, but I think it's time worth investing since...
-I've seen this site impressively grow in numbers and quality and reach since I was a wee lad doing awful spritework out of my own devotion to videogames. It's been a go-to place for me for probably as long as I learned what a sprite was, probably somewhere since 15 years ago or so. No, I do not nor do I have ever wished to be part of the community since a particular, one-time incident, but I have still seen checking up on this site as a daily commute, and I would consider myself a devoted visitor. I grew up with this site, like someone would grow up watching a TV show or living with a house pet. So...
-I find it very disappointing that, among many things, the staff of this site has collectively decided to turn a once professional site into their blog the moment so many other places on the internet have decided to foster a stifling environment for those that don't wholly identify with (or worse, question) their specific points of view. What used to be a site that stuck to doing its best at what it intended to do, and did it so stellarly, couldn't withstand the collective pressure amongst those of an specific spectrum, and caved in to put aside its once professional behavior for the sake of vapid and enfranchised strife that serves nobody concerned with the craft displayed here.
-The most disappointing thing is not even just this: it's the common practice amongst those on this specific spectrum, and amongst all these spaces on the internet, to strongarm those around them into a guilt trip, completely disregard all the facts of the situation around the world (especially those that put said specific point of view in a non-praising light), and to say the exact same thing to people like me, that have supported this site from the spectator seats but don't agree with their hard turn onto specific opinion: "if you don't like it, then leave and never come back". And doubling down on it. A tremendous display of pettyness, lack of concern for all facts on the matter, and lack of respect for arguments that might put theirs in jeopardy.
-How does this fare for users *like me*? Well, if we go with similar situations and experiences across many other spaces on the internet, there's no reason to argue against these actions since it won't change the decissions made or the minds of people that push for this kind of stuff. There's also no reason to threaten or predict or even hope for the "downfall" of any of these sites, as many people like me learn to just stay quiet and accept this stifling environment, rather than try to rally and hurt these spaces' and people's livelihoods, like how they do it to those that do rally and speak out against this. So really, most just look at the broken glass with concern and disappoint. You won't notice this, because these actions harbour unresponsiveness from those that disagree, and mobilize those that do agree. Hell, this probably reinforces your beliefs: "we're doing the right thing, many are validating our opinion!". Short-sighted, and expected.
-Then what's one to do? Just as you say: leave and never come back. Not with a bang, but with a whimper and a heavy heart. Accept the reality that many of the places that used to be safe for everybody (because of their commitment to not take sides on vapid strife) are now actively alienating some users, for what a small number of users see as "right", no matter the facts of reality. Don't get me wrong or put intentions into my post: I do NOT mean to make a bang out of this, but I will exercise my right to show my concern for the direction of a site I've dedicated years to keep my eye on, out of that same dedication to defend what you grew up with, for as long as I anonimously can without being statutorily persecuted like many do in my country of origin for their dissenting ideas, something you could only dream of in your worst nightmares from the safety of your metropolis.
@StarBot
Except they're not even attempting to do anything. Sitting on your fat ass and typing out how awful everything is isn't doing anything. It's not improving the situation, it's not helping anyone and doesn't serve any purpose beyond making you feel better about yourself. It's not any different from all those companies pretending to be super concerned about the situation. Between it requiring virtually no effort and making yourself look good, the only ones who benefit from posts like this are the ones who write them.
Except they're not even attempting to do anything. Sitting on your fat ass and typing out how awful everything is isn't doing anything. It's not improving the situation, it's not helping anyone and doesn't serve any purpose beyond making you feel better about yourself. It's not any different from all those companies pretending to be super concerned about the situation. Between it requiring virtually no effort and making yourself look good, the only ones who benefit from posts like this are the ones who write them.
The people in the comments getting how “unprofessional” and “rude” the moderators are acting, and treating there rightful anger and upset on how stupid y’all acting, treating it as “drama” and “the downfall of the community!!11”
Yeah, you are more pathetic and annoying then what the mods could ever be, grow the fuck up and learn some perspective
There people dying, and here you crying and threatening to leave and shame a site, for trying to make the world a better and nicer place, because you can’t get your stupid stolen drawings
Yeah, you are more pathetic and annoying then what the mods could ever be, grow the fuck up and learn some perspective
There people dying, and here you crying and threatening to leave and shame a site, for trying to make the world a better and nicer place, because you can’t get your stupid stolen drawings
This is one of the most embarrassing things I've ever done seen. So you guys support Black Lives Matter? Excellent! It really is! Mad love for all the donations and support. However, the fact is, you KNEW this community toxic as hell. It's full of bigots, sexists, and of course, racists. It's a gaming community. It comes with the territory.
You knew that, and you handled it the ABSOLUTE WORST WAY POSSIBLE. There are a million ways to handle an unruly comments section, and engaging, arguing, and insulting like a five year old is pretty much the stupidest thing you could do. I recall a few pages back, Dazz said something like he never grew up since he started the site. And this is a good thing.....why? If there's EVER a time to strive to be taken seriously and professionally, it's when people's lives are at stake. You're no longer the admins and mods of a crappy community, you are now a part of a once-in-a-century movement.
Again, mad love for the support and solidarity, but if this is the way you guys act out in the real world, then please PLEASE don't show up to a protest. You'll just make things worse. Unless you're actually willing to grow up.
You knew that, and you handled it the ABSOLUTE WORST WAY POSSIBLE. There are a million ways to handle an unruly comments section, and engaging, arguing, and insulting like a five year old is pretty much the stupidest thing you could do. I recall a few pages back, Dazz said something like he never grew up since he started the site. And this is a good thing.....why? If there's EVER a time to strive to be taken seriously and professionally, it's when people's lives are at stake. You're no longer the admins and mods of a crappy community, you are now a part of a once-in-a-century movement.
Again, mad love for the support and solidarity, but if this is the way you guys act out in the real world, then please PLEASE don't show up to a protest. You'll just make things worse. Unless you're actually willing to grow up.
@Proking235 the post should've been either on twitter or reddit.
This has been an interesting post to watch unfold to say the very least. I have my issues with how this post and the previous one were handled, but I don't see much of a point to go into that. In my personal opinion, if you want to spread the word about this, spread actual information about it, like the documentary "13TH" by Netflix, and ask people to spread it as well. That will reach a much larger community than one post here ever really could, and I don't know but it might have got a better reaction? I can't say for sure. I'm just sitting here watching the fire cool to ashes, waiting for the next update.
Thank you for taking the time to write a comment after we went a whole day without having any! ˋ( ° ▽、° )
..Everybody has already stopped talking for the most part, so there's no point in commenting on this page anymore. ಥ_ಥ
..Everybody has already stopped talking for the most part, so there's no point in commenting on this page anymore. ಥ_ಥ
What did we learn today kids? @Kendotibero is a entitled soccer mom who has way too much freetime. But yeah, this shitshow should stop and everybody should stop adding fuel to the fire
Sounds about right for the most part, unfortunately. (°ー°〃)
What I've learned from reading this thread alone:
1: -Q- a bitch
2: Ton redeemed himself fucking fast
3: Comment section is complete ass for the most part
4: SpiritZ is basically doing what I am (aka just watching from afar)
5: People apparently have WAAAAY too much time to write shit
6: I wonder what RTB has to say about all this
7: Somehow there's civilised arguments among the hurling insults and just complete bullshit
8: I seem to be one of those people who have way too much time to write shit
9: I feel like all comments that aren't civil arguments should be deleted
10: Fact 9 won't happen
1: -Q- a bitch
2: Ton redeemed himself fucking fast
3: Comment section is complete ass for the most part
4: SpiritZ is basically doing what I am (aka just watching from afar)
5: People apparently have WAAAAY too much time to write shit
6: I wonder what RTB has to say about all this
7: Somehow there's civilised arguments among the hurling insults and just complete bullshit
8: I seem to be one of those people who have way too much time to write shit
9: I feel like all comments that aren't civil arguments should be deleted
10: Fact 9 won't happen
...Not even an external link or pastebin for the highlights?
Pardon me for trying to lighten the mood. I guess making long paragraphs about protests and politics aren't my strong suit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Three things:
1. Who's watching those that watch the watchmen?
2. I bet you never had your house broken into and/or your things stolen.
3. If you think I'm racist, then let me be racist.
1. Who's watching those that watch the watchmen?
2. I bet you never had your house broken into and/or your things stolen.
3. If you think I'm racist, then let me be racist.
You want the full on comment I had then? OK.
The problem is that things like this will likely just fuel the drama further, will spread the hatred, and do this and much more that rioters, racists, dirty politics and law enforcers (note I left the comma out, because I mean dirty cops and the ilk, but I know there are good cops out there) wanna: give them reason to say "and you people think they are in the right?" or "and you people think they should be protected?"
And what's more: I had to mute people on Twitter who were posting VIOLENT BLM videos and the like, or retweeting them, WITHOUT TAGGING. First week of that I was thinking "OK. I'll let this one pass, it's still 'fresh', they'll realize people don't like that bloating their timelines", but I was wrong and they didn't stop.
And it's not just a case of #BlackLivesMatter, it's a case of: USA is a broken mass in many ways, and has been for decades and decades and decades, and minimal has been done to fix because... Capitals, money, fame and fortune. And now that everyone is stuck at home, boredom hit them max and the Hyde in everyone comes out.
This "real world issue" is just really a huge USA political flaw from the ages coming back to bite the behind of everyone and triggering a response. And if anything, the members who will leave are the ones who, apologies for using these words, "are sick of media drama shit". It won't do anything on the racist ones unless you pinpoint them and ban their region manually, and even then they can proxy and VPN their way through it.
PS.: this rant is just a shortened version of the one I wrote 3 AM but didn't send 'cause I was sleepy as hell.
The problem is that things like this will likely just fuel the drama further, will spread the hatred, and do this and much more that rioters, racists, dirty politics and law enforcers (note I left the comma out, because I mean dirty cops and the ilk, but I know there are good cops out there) wanna: give them reason to say "and you people think they are in the right?" or "and you people think they should be protected?"
And what's more: I had to mute people on Twitter who were posting VIOLENT BLM videos and the like, or retweeting them, WITHOUT TAGGING. First week of that I was thinking "OK. I'll let this one pass, it's still 'fresh', they'll realize people don't like that bloating their timelines", but I was wrong and they didn't stop.
And it's not just a case of #BlackLivesMatter, it's a case of: USA is a broken mass in many ways, and has been for decades and decades and decades, and minimal has been done to fix because... Capitals, money, fame and fortune. And now that everyone is stuck at home, boredom hit them max and the Hyde in everyone comes out.
This "real world issue" is just really a huge USA political flaw from the ages coming back to bite the behind of everyone and triggering a response. And if anything, the members who will leave are the ones who, apologies for using these words, "are sick of media drama shit". It won't do anything on the racist ones unless you pinpoint them and ban their region manually, and even then they can proxy and VPN their way through it.
PS.: this rant is just a shortened version of the one I wrote 3 AM but didn't send 'cause I was sleepy as hell.
"Don't talk about religion and politics" has always been a bad guideline to live by. It's pushed by people who don't want to be challenged in their beliefs, and in a world where these are the two influences that drive most peoples' opinions and habits, they should be challenged and defended constantly. That's how we grow as people. And the refusal to have these discussions and remain comfortable is why we're in this moment; people have skirted this line in the name of "politeness" for generations, and now they're shocked when it blows up in their faces.
Beliefs without reason are dogma, and the unexamined life is not worth living.
Beliefs without reason are dogma, and the unexamined life is not worth living.
You guys are and will always be awesome! BLM forever
Politics does not encompass human rights. Just because it's a real world issue does not mean it is political. I respect your wish to join the conversation, but if we collected up everybody with the same two cents you've given, I still don't think we'll be able to afford for anybody to give a shit. Holding your tongue on racism is almost entirely pointless. If it's so we don't lose members who don't care about human rights, as I said before, I don't want them here anyway.
@VirtualSonic43, @ConcernedThrowawayAccount @Viscera: "This doesn't personally affect us, so let us provide false equivalence points, shame the people who are trying to help and cry "glorify blog" / "brownie points" and cry leave the site forever!"
This is extremely disappointing, hey Virtual, showing ethpany isn't bad or just doing it for "internet brownie points". Stuff like this gives the video game community a bad name, as a black dude, I can understand why some people may not like us now because no normal person tries to justify acting like this and trying to dismiss everything when saying "black people shouldn't die"