Character Tweaks [revamped first post!]

[AuraPigOnStilts]

Umm, do you even know their movesets? Let me remind you

Neutral B: Lasor shoot
Side B: Moves quickly to the side
Up B: Coats themselves in fire (or whatever for wolf) stands still for about a second, and moves in the direction that you told it to in that second
Down B: Reflects opponents projectiles (Falco lobs his reflector
Final Smash: Landmaster

All clones of each other, if you ask me.

[Chaoxys]

See, it's not a matter of what their moves are, it's a matter of how they work, and they all work differently.

If anything I'd like to see Falco's final smash change to something involving an arwing.

[Kitsu]

Well, I see no major problems with keeping the majority of their moves the same, but maybe Falco's FS can be changed to something Arwing related, and Wolf's can involve calling in the other two team members to strafe the stage in their Wolfens?

EDIT: Both of these FS ideas have actually been discussed already, as mentioned in the first post.

At the same time, I don't really see much reason not to change other moves either (besides fan backlash), since all of those moves were pulled from nowhere in the first place...


BTW, I don't remember, but did we already have a Custom Robo moveset?
Also, a Roy moveset? (assuming we're changing him a bit, since he was clone before)

[Alpha Six]

(05-14-2010 03:43 PM)Aurapigonstilts Wrote:  Umm, do you even know their movesets? Let me remind you

Neutral B: Lasor shoot
Side B: Moves quickly to the side
Up B: Coats themselves in fire (or whatever for wolf) stands still for about a second, and moves in the direction that you told it to in that second
Down B: Reflects opponents projectiles (Falco lobs his reflector
Final Smash: Landmaster

All clones of each other, if you ask me.

Do you even know their basic A attacks? Not the same. And, again, their moves maybe similar in theory and execution, but the actual move itself differs between characters.
They're not clones. They have completely different playstyles. Again, they're about as much clones as Ryu and Ken. :l

[AuraPigOnStilts]

(05-14-2010 09:46 PM)Alpha Six Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 03:43 PM)Aurapigonstilts Wrote:  Umm, do you even know their movesets? Let me remind you

Neutral B: Lasor shoot
Side B: Moves quickly to the side
Up B: Coats themselves in fire (or whatever for wolf) stands still for about a second, and moves in the direction that you told it to in that second
Down B: Reflects opponents projectiles (Falco lobs his reflector
Final Smash: Landmaster

All clones of each other, if you ask me.

Do you even know their basic A attacks? Not the same. And, again, their moves maybe similar in theory and execution, but the actual move itself differs between characters.
They're not clones. They have completely different playstyles. Again, they're about as much clones as Ryu and Ken. :l

lol ur acting as if it's really important.
So what if their A moves are slightly different? Really, people take much more notice of their characters B moves, because they are much more individualised, and often, harder to master (not all moves, but moves like Lucario's Down B, Mario's > B (if the timing is perfect, he can reflect projectiles) etc.).

Anyway, how do we want to change Starfox's moves?

[Alpha Six]

(05-14-2010 10:43 PM)Aurapigonstilts Wrote:  So what if their A moves are slightly different?

...Because a character's A moves are completely key to playing as the character as much as the B moves are? I don't know anybody who spams B moves and doesn't use A moves unless they're completely shitty at the game. How do you think you'll set up combos if you don't have the basic attacks? :/

[Ran Master 27]

Any difference is a difference.
Even from melee, Fox and Falcos movesets are exactly the same, but they have different playstyles in general.

Change up the final smashes between the Starfox characters, that's the start. We should brain storm Ideas for each character here.

I found it sad that all the starfox characters used a landmaster for there final smash, really lame.

[Alpha Six]

(05-15-2010 12:09 AM)Ran Master 27 Wrote:  Any difference is a difference.
Even from melee, Fox and Falcos movesets are exactly the same, but they have different playstyles in general.

Change up the final smashes between the Starfox characters, that's the start. We should brain storm Ideas for each character here.

I found it sad that all the starfox characters used a landmaster for there final smash, really lame.

Yo, check the first post. The Falco/Wolf FSs were discussed already.

[Ran Master 27]

Hmm, interesting...
Wolf's especially.

[Koopaul]

We can just change the fire around Fire Falco to blue colored fire if you want.

[D2S-Speed]

(05-14-2010 10:43 PM)Aurapigonstilts Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 09:46 PM)Alpha Six Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 03:43 PM)Aurapigonstilts Wrote:  Umm, do you even know their movesets? Let me remind you

Neutral B: Lasor shoot
Side B: Moves quickly to the side
Up B: Coats themselves in fire (or whatever for wolf) stands still for about a second, and moves in the direction that you told it to in that second
Down B: Reflects opponents projectiles (Falco lobs his reflector
Final Smash: Landmaster

All clones of each other, if you ask me.

Do you even know their basic A attacks? Not the same. And, again, their moves maybe similar in theory and execution, but the actual move itself differs between characters.
They're not clones. They have completely different playstyles. Again, they're about as much clones as Ryu and Ken. :l

lol ur acting as if it's really important.
So what if their A moves are slightly different? Really, people take much more notice of their characters B moves, because they are much more individualised, and often, harder to master (not all moves, but moves like Lucario's Down B, Mario's > B (if the timing is perfect, he can reflect projectiles) etc.).

Anyway, how do we want to change Starfox's moves?

Really this is a discussion you can't win! Maybe back then Fox and Falco had the same attacks in melee making them almost exact clones, but they were changed to make them not seem closely related in attacks. Their special moves may be almost alike. However there other attacks and abilities have been changed. Example!

Fox: Pretty much stayed the same do to the fact they copied his moves off of him.
Falco: His attacks are more aerial based and hit harder than fox's, also his Fire Bird has shorter range and can do continuous damage to the player, while fox's just hit the opponent once.
Wolf: (First off how the hell can he be a clone of any of the other two.....really?) His attacks are more slower but also very powerful. His up B is not a fire attack, his side B is just a straight diagonal jump from one point to the next, his B attack is slower and has shorter range than fox and falco's blaster. Also wolf is the slowest one out of all of them but makes up for it in power.

The only fact that you picked up on that their final smashes were the same as well as their attacks and how they seem to be the same exact thing, therefore these three are not really much of being clones.

EDIT: Also there final smash aren't even the same anyway. (Now think about it.) Fox's Landmaster is average and normal. Falco's is can move much faster in the air, and Wolf's the most powerful one but it only stays on the field for a shorter time than Fox's or Falco's. So there final smashes are technically not considered the same as well. Still they do need different ones except Fox!

[AuraPigOnStilts]

ok, so theres a few minor differences that I didn't pick up on. Im sorry for being wrong.

Anyway, back on topic please?

[D2S-Speed]

Agreed, I believe Krystal's Final Smash could be the Cloud Runner, but not to make it almost like Super Dragon Yoshi, or Diddy Kong or something like that. Still anyone have any other ideas?

[Bazzoka]

(05-15-2010 10:00 AM)Aurapigonstilts Wrote:  ok, so theres a few minor differences that I didn't pick up on.

Sorry, I just had to quote that for how silly it is.

On the note of Krystal's FS, I personally would think the Krazoa spirit FS would be better. And I don't think it really matters if people understand/don't remember. I didn't understand Pit's FS until I looked it up. Besides, if people really want to know, they can simply look it up online or on the character's trophy info or in our case card info.

[D2S-Speed]

Maybe, that could work out!